Rom 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Rom 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
Rom 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
Rom 8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Rom 8:5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
The Lord Jesus Christ taught about the heart of the man in Matthew 6:21 when He said, “for where your treasure is, there will your heart be also. Man’s heart is going to be “after” whatever his “mind” desires, and once HE determines what is well pleasing, good, or anything that will benefit his flesh, or the flesh of others, he is ‘all in’ so to speak (This is the same thing Adam and Eve did with the tree of the knowledge of good and evil). But when man with his “mind” determines something to be well pleasing, good, or of any benefit to his flesh, and the flesh of others; then he determines to “walk after” these lusts, it becomes his way, his life, it becomes the “law” of his flesh! He becomes “subject” unto the “law” of his flesh, and this is because his “mind” has determined this to be what is well pleasing in his sight, and satisfies his flesh and he places more emphasis upon the law of his mind and the law of his flesh and by doing this he is not subject onto the will the way and the life and the law of God and by doing this he lives in a carnal mind and is not subject onto a spiritual mind.
Rom 8:6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
Rom 8:8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
Subjection is the highest form of obedience given to a ‘power,’ or a person, you become UNDER its dominion, you fall UNDER its will, and its “law,” you become a “debtor” unto it. This does not carry the same rule as in marriage, with marriage; both ought to be “subject” unto the will of God in the marriage, NOT UNDER the will, and “law” of the spouse, and what their “carnal mind” determines how to “walk” in marriage. The only way we can “please God,” is we CANNOT be “in our flesh!” We must ‘get out of our own way,’ when it comes to how we are going to live our sanctified life as “sons and daughters,” we are going to have either a selfish “walk” as saints, or a selfless “walk” as “sons and daughters” by His word.
Rom 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
Notice verse 9 says “in” the flesh, and “in” the Spirit? YOU become “one” with it, you become part of its body, and even though our flesh is already part of our earthly bodies; we have to remember that our inward man is now permanently enjoined to Christ, regardless how WE desire to “walk,” but we as “sons and daughters” are beseeched to “mind the things” of the Spirit (the living word of God), and by doing this; we will desire to allow our inward man to be subject unto the will of God, the Life of God, the Word of God, and His “Law.” We will be “debtors” to the “Spirit,” which is His living Word, and debtors, and part of its Body, and thereby walking IN its will, life, and by its “law.” And in verse 9 Paul says, “if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you,” and then he says, “if any man have not the Spirit of Christ.” The ‘Spirit of God dwelling’ within the believer refers to what was just taught in verses 1 through 8. This means to be walk in the Spirit, and to mind the Spirit, and to be led by the Spirit, this is what Paul teaches in Colossians 3:16 when he says, “let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom,” and in Ephesians 5:18 when he says, “be filled with the Spirit.” But now, when he says, “if and man HAVE NOT the Spirit of Christ, he is none of His,” this is referring to salvation from the debt and penalty of sin. Paul is saying, ‘if any man have not the Living Word of Christ, he is none of HIS.’ There is a difference being made by Paul in this verse for the reason of reminding us ‘Who’ we ought to be living after, and Who we ought to desire to “please.”
Rom 8:10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
Rom 8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
Rom 8:12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
Rom 8:13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
Rom 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
Therefore, notice in verse 11 Paul says that if the Spirit of God “dwell in” us, our “mortal bodies” shall also be “quickened” by His Spirit that we are ‘minding,’ and we are desiring to “walk in.” Paul confirms this in the following verses about the effectual working by His Word. And at this point we ought to know Who we ought to be a “debtor” unto, and when we are “after” the Spirit, and not “after” the flesh, we are living as His “sons” AFTER “the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus.” But the Saint does not HAVE TO live unto the Lord Who died for him, he doesn’t HAVE TO live unto the Father Who desires to “receive” us as “sons and daughters,” and he does not HAVE TO be a “debtor” to live after the Spirit either. But this would be living a “life” unto himself, and to his “flesh,” and his “walk” will not be ‘pleasing’ unto God, he will operate upon a “carnal mind,” and this life will only bring forth fruit unto death in the sight of our Father and is not the “walk” of the “sons of God.” And so, as verse 14 says, “for as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God,” this is conditional. The Saint “in Christ” could either live his life after his flesh, and by his carnal mind reject to live his life after the Spirit of God and please Him. Or he could “live” his “life” after the Spirit, and by the Spiritual mind he would “walk after,” and be “led by” the Living Word of God as the “sons of God” would live unto the Father. Many do not understand and appreciate that Paul teaches in Romans chapter 8 the ‘life of a son of God,’ unto “heirs of God.”
Rom 8:15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
Rom 8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
Rom 8:17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
Rom 8:18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
The Father desires that we “live after” the Spirit, and “receive” His Living Word, He desires that we are “led by” His word, and this the only way we can “serve” Him, this is the only way that we can live unto Him, and this is the only way we can be the “sons and daughters” that He desires to “receive” and educate! Notice in verse 13 it says the “deeds of” the body, we ought to be led by the deeds or ‘works’ of His Living Word that is how we ought to functionally “live after” His Word, His will, and His law, we ought to be a “debtor” to do “the deeds” of the Spirit, (the Living Word of God) and walk in Its Law. And it all boils down to what we are going to be minding, and what we are going to be affectionate unto, and what we are going to be indebted unto as well. And whatever the man is after, is going to be what he sets his mind to do, and what to love in his own time and life. And God knows that we are conformed to this world, but it is by the renewing of our mind that we be transformed unto His will, and the renewed mind of our Father’s will by His Word. And we are “called” by our Father’s Word to “BE separate,” and to set us apart from the conformity of this world and work effectually within us.
2Co 6:17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,
2Co 6:18 And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.
Notice verse 17 says “come out,” and “BE ye?” It is the heart and mind of the saint that determines how they will walk, and what their minds will be “after,” and the “sons and daughters” in the context of verses 17, and 18 refer only to the saints who has desired to “BE” not after his flesh, and this world, but after His Word, and His Law. And it is often thought that because we are going through the sufferings of this present time that we are also suffering with Christ. But this is not the case at all, even the unsaved are going through the sufferings of this present time. What Paul was teaching unto Timothy, and what he was giving unto the Romans in chapter 8 was living godly after His image, and in His likeness. And being conformed to the image of His Son, your walk would be after the living word of the living God, and your decision making would be after the Spiritual mind, and you would live as a debtor unto the Father as a living sacrifice. And this type of walk would not be conformed to this world, and the Saint would no longer live like those of this world, he would ‘stand out’ so to speak, he would “shine as lights, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation.” Timothy was not being a “partaker of the afflictions of the gospel,” Timothy was denying to charge those that they teach no other doctrine, because he knew he would face the afflictions of the gospel for Christ’s sake. And Paul taught Timothy about those who would oppose the gospel, but that Timothy would preach Him, “in season, out of season, reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine,” and make to full proof of his ministry. And as the Thessalonians knew, and Timothy learned, they were “appointed thereunto” the afflictions of the gospel IF they desired to be led after the living word of God and not their flesh and be a debtor and a living sacrifice out of selfless love for Christ’s sake not their own.
1Th 3:3 That no man should be moved by these afflictions: for yourselves know that we are appointed thereunto.
2Ti 2:9 Wherein I suffer trouble, as an evil doer, even unto bonds; but the word of God is not bound.
2Ti 2:10 Therefore I endure all things for the elect’s sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.
2Ti 2:11 It is a faithful saying: For if we be dead with him, we shall also live with him:
2Ti 2:12 If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:
2Ti 2:13 If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.
Rod Jones
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As sons and daughters of God, we’re called not only to walk after the Spirit but also to grow together in truth and love. “Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another…” (Colossians 3:16). This mutual edification is how the Body of Christ matures—by rightly dividing the word of truth and helping one another stay grounded in sound doctrine.
With that heart, I’d like to offer a few thoughts in response to Rod’s teaching—not to tear down, but to build up, giving honor where it’s due, and carefully examining any point that might need clarification in light of the pure words of God found in our King James Bible.
Truly a rich post from Rod Jones—clearly an attempt to walk through Romans 8 with spiritual insight and draw application from the King James Bible. Let’s evaluate and “shew ourselves approved unto God”, giving credit where due while identifying areas that need correction or clarification according to the pure words of God rightly divided.
Credit Where It’s Due
Rod makes several strong Pauline-aligned observations:
Spirit vs. Flesh in the Believer’s Walk
• Rod correctly emphasizes that Romans 8 is about the walk of the believer—not initial justification.
• He accurately notes the distinction between being in Christ and walking after the Spirit (Romans 8:1–4).
• He identifies the “law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus” (v.2) as a governing principle contrasted with the “law of sin and death.”
“The only way we can please God is we CANNOT be in our flesh.”
— Well said. This is echoed in Romans 8:8–9.
Mindset Determines Direction
• His commentary linking mind, affection, and walk is consistent with Romans 8:5–6 and Colossians 3:2:
“Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth.”
Suffering with Christ Distinguished
• He correctly notes that the sufferings of this present time are not necessarily the same as suffering with Christ.
Even the unsaved suffer! (Romans 8:18)
But to suffer with Christ (Romans 8:17) means enduring affliction as a result of walking faithfully in the truth.
“Timothy was not being a partaker of the afflictions of the gospel.” — That distinction is valid and important.
Conditional Nature of Verse 14
• Rod is right to point out Romans 8:14 is conditional in practice:
“As many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.”
It’s not about becoming a son (positional truth) but living as sons (dispositional walk).
This is consistent with a term I simply created that is seen throughout Paul’s epistles. DIWE TRAIN model: doctrine > identity > walk > empowerment.
Doctrinal Concerns and Needed Corrections
While Rod’s heart is toward edification, a few points raise caution and warrant correction:
Misidentification of the “Spirit of Christ” as the Word
Rod says:
“If any man have not the Living Word of Christ, he is none of his.”
This misidentifies Romans 8:9. Paul is speaking of the indwelling Holy Spirit, not merely the written Word:
• The “Spirit of Christ” in Romans 8:9 is not a synonym for “the Word of Christ” in Colossians 3:16.
• While both work together (the Spirit uses the Word), Romans 8:9 is about positional reality—whether a person is saved or not.
Refutation:
“Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.”(Romans 8:9)
This isn’t saying, “If you don’t let the Word dwell in you, you’re not saved.”
Rather, it’s the presence of the Holy Ghost that marks one as Christ’s—notthe degree to which the believer is walking in the Word.
This is crucial. Otherwise, we could wrongly conclude that a weak or carnal believer who’s not walking in the Word is “none of his”—contradicting 2 Timothy 2:13:
“If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.”
Furthermore, the witness of the Spirit in Romans 8:15–16 is not merely positional truth about being a child of God. Rather, the cry, “Abba, Father” is the mark of a son in his walk—a son who is yielding to the Spirit, desiring to be led, and responding in love and submission to the Father’s will.
This cry reflects a heart that is being shaped by the Spirit, one that seeks to be conformed to the image of Christ (Romans 8:29). It is this walk—this yielded response of the inner man—that aligns with God’s eternal purpose.
Such a son “knows” what God is doing: not making all things comfortable, but using all things to work together for good—the good of being conformed to the image of His Son (Romans 8:28–29). This is not about circumstance change, but inner-man transformation by the Word and Spirit.
In other words, Romans 8:28 belongs to those who love God and are called according to His purpose—not just by position, but by the intentional walk of faith and submission as led sons.
Blurring of Law Language with the Word
Rod frequently equates the “law of the Spirit” with the “Living Word,” and then calls the Word a “law” we must “walk in.” This is a bit confusing:
“We ought to be a debtor to do the deeds of the Spirit (the Living Word of God) and walk in Its Law.”
While the Word does instruct us, Paul avoids calling it “law” because he is deliberately contrasting the Spirit-led walk with bondage under the law.
Clarification Needed:
• Paul doesn’t call the Spirit’s leading a law to be kept, but a walk to be followed by faith (Romans 8:4, Gal. 5:18).
• Replacing “grace walk” language with “law of the Word” terminology risks reintroducing performance-based confusion.
Overextension of 2 Corinthians 6
Rod imports 2 Corinthians 6:17–18 to define who qualifies as sons and daughters. But this passage refers to Israel’s prophetic relationship and corporate separation—not Pauline individual sanctification.
“The sons and daughters… refer only to the saints who has desired to BE not after his flesh…”
That’s a stretch. Paul uses the quote to call all saints to separation, not to redefine who qualifies as a child of God.
Clarification:
• All believers are sons (Gal. 4:6)—but not all walk as sons.
• 2 Cor. 6:17–18 is an appeal to walk in line with that identity, not a conditional clause for obtaining it.
Final Thoughts
Rod’s study shows spiritual sincerity and effort to expound Romans 8 with a focus on the Spirit-led life. However, precision matters. Overextending certain terms (e.g., equating the Spirit of Christ with the Word, or calling the Word a law) introduces doctrinal fog. Let’s hold fast to the form of sound words and rightly divide between positional identity in Christ and the conditional walk of a son. Great study Rod!
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Ken Attard thank you for your time and fellowship Brother! Many oftentimes some could draw an understanding of Romans chapter 8 that is not consistent with the true understanding of what Paul teaches regarding the “Law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus,” the mechanics of the Spirit, our adoption as Sons, and the sufferings of this present time as sons, and the sufferings of Christ as Paul sets forth in verses 35 through 39.
Many who rightly divide the word of Truth do not see the fundamental Doctrine of godliness given unto us concerning these truths. Paul sets forth what he refers to as the law of God, he says in Romans chapter 7:22-25 that he is going to “delight in,” and “serve” the law of God “after the inward man.”
22] For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
[23] But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
[24] O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
[25] I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
We are not under the law, but under grace to sanctification unto holiness, the Old Testament law was how Israel Sanctified themselves unto holiness. But Paul says that we are under grace, what he is going to later reveal is that we have been made partakers of the New Testament “according to the revelation of the mystery,” this is what he means by the “law of God.” Everything that Paul preaches unto us gentiles in all 13 Epistles refers to the doctrine of the Testator Himself “according to the revelation of the mystery,” This Is The Life of Christ that we ought to be after, and under.
And today we can “fulfill the law” of God by operating with the spiritual mind according to the will of God, and operating with a selfless heart unto others in love.
And I did not say that when Paul says, “of any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his” was referring to sanctification. I stated that the first part of the verse is referring to being filled with the Living Word of God, and the next part is about have the Spirit of Christ (salvation).
9] But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
The Spirit (the Living Word of God) is the product of the Holy Ghost’s ministry. And the Spirit of God can dwell in us by allowing the Word of God to dwell richly within us.
We can be led by the Spirit, by being “led by” the Word of God Alone. We can “walk in the Spirit” by walking in the Word of God.
And when Paul says, “if any man have not the Spirit of Christ,” Paul is referring to the ‘Living Word of Christ,’ this is how we are all saved by hearing the word of God:
1st Cor.12:13] For by ONE SPIRIT are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
And it is by ‘one Living Word’ are we all baptized into one Body, and we are all made to “drink into one Spirit,” we are all made to ‘partake of one Living Word.”
All throughout Paul’s Epistles he mentions the Spirit (capital S), and it refers to the Word of God. Notice what Paul says in Galatians 3, they received the Living Word of God unto salvation, but now they are trying to make themselves perfect by their flesh unto sanctification. Paul is Saying that the only way they are going to be perfect is by the Spirit, the Living Word of God.
Gal.3:[2] This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?[3] Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?
Notice, by the “hearing of faith,” faith comes by hearing the word of God, and this is what Paul is teaching in the last half of Romans 8:9 when he says, “if any man have not the Spirit of Christ he is none of his.”
And when we read those verses you referred to, as the Word of God, we see:
And Eph.1:13 ‘after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that Holy Word of promise.’
Gal.4:6 ‘God hath sent forth the Living Word of His Son into your hearts, crying Abba Father.’
And what does it mean to have the Spirit “indwell” us regarding salvation from the debt and penalty of sin? Does this mean when we heard the word the ‘person’ as you said the Holy Ghost ‘indwells’ us?
These doctrines are not understood by many Christians today, hence they are all over the place when it comes to Romans chapter 8, and when they get to our adoption they assume 2this means you are just children of God, and that’s all Paul is saying, and he is confirming it again. I’ve heard many Grace Brothers say this, but they can’t explain what 1 Corinthians chapter 12 means about “by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body.” And it’s Not saying that the Spirit is ‘into our body,’ but that is is “by” one Spirit, that we are placed into one Body.
And when I mentioned that we are “one” with either the flesh or the Spirit. Whichever the Saint desires to “be after,” that is an identity. And as we are taught in Romans chapter 6, Paul says that we could either continue in sin, (the body of sin), or walk in newness of life. Two different identities “in Christ.”
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